tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6804054451517691779.post1775314734469070767..comments2023-10-16T11:11:47.277-04:00Comments on PROVOKED: Dairy & Drugs - Antibiotic Residue in Cow Meat & "Beef"Bea Elliotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13981537551810309024noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6804054451517691779.post-9878810884612969622012-12-11T15:03:05.019-05:002012-12-11T15:03:05.019-05:00Hi Amanda - I'd be curious as to what quantity...Hi Amanda - I'd be curious as to what quantity your mother eats meat? Furthermore, there are many people who smoke cigarettes and live well into their 90's - Doesn't mean everyone will have such good luck.<br /><br />I'm not saying that eating small quantities of animal based foods will kill you. But it sure does kill others!<br /><br />Eating meat, dairy and eggs is not necessary for human health either - We can thrive on a plant based diet - Therefore where is your justification for harming others when there is no need to do so?<br />Good day.Bea Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13981537551810309024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6804054451517691779.post-52557701350539500122012-11-03T19:03:25.552-04:002012-11-03T19:03:25.552-04:00Well, for one thing my mother is 80 years old,neve...Well, for one thing my mother is 80 years old,never been to a dr. except for child birth and has and still does eat meat and a variety of other food. So if meat is such a rotten poison, where is your proof?Amanda Gordenhttp://constructionhelpz.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6804054451517691779.post-11879552383889000792010-03-23T00:46:18.754-04:002010-03-23T00:46:18.754-04:00As patient as I am, I find that as the conversatio...As patient as I am, I find that as the conversations continue I'm dragged ever lower in my standards of "reasonable discourse"... In other words - I'm having a hard time stooping to your cronic juvenile (and hostile) remarks. <br /><br />If you want another one of your comments to remain "un-trashed" by me - Better make it be brilliant!Bea Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13981537551810309024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6804054451517691779.post-69368453413460896802010-03-22T20:50:09.305-04:002010-03-22T20:50:09.305-04:00well obviously the chickens don't mind having ...well obviously the chickens don't mind having their beaks fixed, sorta like plastic surgery on humans. They still eat, enjoy life in their cages and lay eggs so we can have bacon and eggs for breakfast. I love eggs and pancakes too. Tell the chickens thank you since you are an animal whisperer and know exactly what all animals think.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6804054451517691779.post-19835788776364104552010-03-21T00:16:38.863-04:002010-03-21T00:16:38.863-04:00No... I would rather they not put birds in cages t...No... I would rather they not put birds in cages to begin with... See, what you (and they) are doing is placing a dog in a building - Setting the building on fire... Then fretting on ways to "save him". DON'T PUT THE ANIMALS IN HARM'S WAY TO BEGIN WITH. That's the easiest solution...<br /><br />Sweetie... We MAKE the "realities of life"... It need not include war, murder, genocide, or animal holocaust. This is all OUR CHOICE. A cow was not born to hang from a meat hook while she bleeds out. This is not "natural" - It is a man made atrocity!<br /><br />How do chickens eat if their beaks are mutilated? Many don't. But then again, they are worth pennies to the industry so if a few hundred die here and there... No big deal.<br /><br />Got something for you:<br />The majority of birds worldwide are trimmed either with a hot blade (partial removal of the upper and lower beak using an electrically heated blade) or by using the infrared method which directs a strong source of heat into the inner tissue of the beak. After a few weeks the tip of the upper and lower beak dies and drops off and the beak becomes shorter with blunt tips. <br /><br />Re-trimming with a hot blade is carried out to avoid or correct pecking problems due to beak regrowth. Some farm managers will re-trim routinely as part of their bird management while others will only re-trim to improve poor or incorrect trimming previously carried out. Some will also re-trim according to veterinarian advice. <br /><br />There are bird welfare issues with the use of both methods of beak trimming. These include the removal of sensory receptors, reduction in pecking efficiency, loss of temperature and touch responses in the beak and the potential for persistent pain. <br /><br />http://tinyurl.com/y8r4apx<br /><br />This is the "poultry hub" site... Nothing "vegan" here - I assure you. Just the "Facts".<br /><br />Oh... And that video - Are you so silly to post a video with so many warranted negative comments? All it does is assert my position my clearly: The egg and "poultry" industries are a sham! They only present what is "nice" to see... Don't you get that???Bea Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13981537551810309024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6804054451517691779.post-87731417051309011472010-03-20T05:58:40.514-04:002010-03-20T05:58:40.514-04:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPYev37wWakhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPYev37wWakAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6804054451517691779.post-76035756159636438142010-03-20T04:19:34.578-04:002010-03-20T04:19:34.578-04:00WELL ARENT WE FUNNY, I SUPPOSE YOU WOULD RATHER TH...WELL ARENT WE FUNNY, I SUPPOSE YOU WOULD RATHER THESE CHICKENS CANNIBALIZE THEIRSELVES, GOD YOU ARE A DUMB VEGAN. I AM NOT A BIGOT, I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST GAYS BUT THEY ARE THE MORE FEMININE ONES THAT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO STAND THE REALITIES OF LIFE, YET THE VEGANS MAIN AGENDA IS BLOOD AND GUTS ONLY ON FILM, NOT IN REALITY. GOD I AM GLAD EVEYONE ISN'T AS PHYSCHO AS YOU ARE ABOUT CHICKENS, OF ALL THINGS. LOL LOL LOL ONLY IT REALLY ISN'T FUNNY TO THINK YOU WOULD RATHER THE CHICKEN EAT THEIRSELVES THAN HAVE THERE BEAKS FIXED OR WHATEVER YOU SAY.HOW THE HELL DO THEY EAT IF THEY DON'T HAVE A BEAK, OPPS MAYBE YOU LIED.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6804054451517691779.post-15694104134766328452010-03-19T20:16:59.285-04:002010-03-19T20:16:59.285-04:00Oh forgive me Anonymous - I never realized how ign...Oh forgive me Anonymous - I never realized how ignorant you were on the subject... Being that you said I "lied" about what "food" animals endure" I thought you were were serious! And so it is YOU who knows little to nothing on the subject.<br /><br />Here's the scoop on "egg hens" - As the video shows - at the hatchery they seperate males from females - They kill the males and take the female baby chick's beaks off... So they don't cannibalize each other when they cram them into tiny cages together... <br /><br />LOL! How could they make eggs without their heads? LOL! You're too funny - Ha, Ha, Ha!<br /><br />Oh - And about vegan gays? I actually know more meat-eating gays... Some are pretty good friends... Even though they still eat chickens - But I'm trying to inform them of the things that they don't know... Just like you don't know--- LOL - Hey! You could all get together and be friends too! LOL! Ha, Ha, Ha --- You really are a riot, even though you are a biggot! Ha, Ha, Ha! LOL! You really are funny! Even though you're as dumb as a box of rocks! LMAO! Ha, Ha, Ha! I just love your stupid, narrow minded, petty and speciesist references! LOL - Please... please - Don't ever, ever leave me to face this world without your rhetorical nonsense! LOL, LOL, LOL! What would my day be like without your low jabs of crude insensitivity? LOL - Ha, Ha, Ha! LOL, LOL, LOL! :)Bea Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13981537551810309024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6804054451517691779.post-17899879955180608252010-03-19T17:08:37.226-04:002010-03-19T17:08:37.226-04:00WHEN WE DRESS A CHICKEN WE USED AN AXE AND CHPPOED...WHEN WE DRESS A CHICKEN WE USED AN AXE AND CHPPOED THE WHOLE HEAD OFF, THEN WE ATE IT FOR SUNDAY DINNER. THE DEATH WAS IMMEDIATE SO IF THEY DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT I DON'T SEE WHY THEY WOULD BOTHER WITH JUST THE BEAK, WHY NOT JUST REMOVE THE WHOLE HEAD? I THINK YOU VEGANS NEED TO TOUGHEN UP, YOU ARE MOSTLY WOMEN AND A LOT OF THE VEGAN MEN ARE GAY, dON'T YOU AGREE?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6804054451517691779.post-22635768656488523302010-03-19T13:40:18.068-04:002010-03-19T13:40:18.068-04:00Now - Think... of what good are male chicks in an ...Now - Think... of what good are male chicks in an egg factory? You know biology. They do not lay eggs - Nor is their flesh profitable to "grow"... So the "solution" egg growers have is to "dispose" of the male chicks: This is footage taken inside a hatchery where "sexers" routinely seperate and kill as "standard practice":<br /><br />http://www.mercyforanimals.org/hatchery/<br /><br />And I'm not saying that you have "ground up or suffocated chicks" personally - But indeed you have "paid someone to do it for you by purchasing eggs". You "vote" on things with your money... Yes?<br /><br />Remember... We are only trying to establish "FACT" REGARDING "FOOD" ANIMALS.<br /><br />Let's go to the next topic: Beaks are mutilated/altered/seared/trimmed -or whatever term you wish to call it... Birds beaks are highly sensitve and in nature they would use these as "hands".<br /><br />What is a "lie" here?Bea Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13981537551810309024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6804054451517691779.post-30538068020698420992010-03-19T10:45:26.576-04:002010-03-19T10:45:26.576-04:00ok i have never ground up a live chick so whether ...ok i have never ground up a live chick so whether someone else has, I would think not, it is just vegan choreography, you know the more blood and guts the better to turn people off and it obviously worked on you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6804054451517691779.post-50434311973218318512010-03-19T08:42:37.881-04:002010-03-19T08:42:37.881-04:00Now that's a pity... You can deliberately hurt...Now that's a pity... You can deliberately hurt animals by your choice in what food you eat. Yet, your "pride" can't stand to say "sorry" when you're wrong.<br /><br />So we'll do this a different way - I will call YOU a liar. And I WILL apologize IF you can show: "What of the list of "FACTS" about what "food" animals endure is a lie?".<br /><br />And for clarity we will take this piece by piece... <br /><br />Eggs: Day old male chicks are either ground up live or suffocated, because they are of no "use" to the industry.<br /><br />Is this a lie? Yes or No only. We do not need your version of an explanation - Just FACTS.<br /><br />True or not?Bea Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13981537551810309024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6804054451517691779.post-9258252270354527642010-03-19T07:13:57.810-04:002010-03-19T07:13:57.810-04:00nope no apology to you and your disinformationnope no apology to you and your disinformationAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6804054451517691779.post-50340473956173595792010-03-18T19:20:39.431-04:002010-03-18T19:20:39.431-04:00Ah... But Bovine spongiform encephalopathy can tak...Ah... But Bovine spongiform encephalopathy can take up to 20 years to develop... We have a very long time before we can truly say that no harm was done. Yes?<br /><br />Sure... Almond milk may not be the best choice - But there are many other alternatives... Oddly enough - The more I read about soy milk allergies the more I find that those kids are just as likely to be allergic to cow's milk too - Who knew?<br /><br />And you may get your cow's milk from a plastic jug... But it doesn't hide the truth that the contents were stolen from an infant calf... And that the calf, if a boy lived a miserable short life and dies a miserable death. I choose not to have that blood on my hands - thank you very much.<br /><br />You say "IT IS ALL GOOD. nOTHING WRONG WITH IT AT ALL." But I disagree... And we've gone round and round about this since forever. <br /><br />And still... You very carefully dodge the question presented to you: "What of the list of "FACTS" about what "food" animals endure is a lie?"<br /><br />Thus far, all you've done is confirm the information... Regardless of whether YOU think it's okay or not - We must assume that YOU were LYING when you said I was...<br /><br />Apology accepted. ;) I won't hold it against you if you take this opportunity to gracefully bow out of any further communication ON MY BLOG!<br /><br />See ya!Bea Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13981537551810309024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6804054451517691779.post-16322239390002816922010-03-18T18:08:40.686-04:002010-03-18T18:08:40.686-04:00RECALLED MEAT AND NO ILLNESSES REPORTED, SOMETIMES...RECALLED MEAT AND NO ILLNESSES REPORTED, SOMETIMES IF A COW HAS A SORE FOOT THEY WILL LIE DOWN AND NOT GET UP BUT THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HER STEAKS. tHERE IS VERY LITTLE NUTRITION IN ALMOND MILK, MOSTLY SUGAR-NOT SOMETHING I WANT TO FEED MY KIDS. i DRINK MILK EVERYDAY GIVES ME LOTS OF ENERGY, BUT IT COMES OUT OF A PLASTIC JUG NOT A TEAT,HA HA HA NO NO NO THEY DON'T AROUSE THE COW SHE IS IN HEAT WITHOUT ANY NEED FOR AROUSAL, THERE YOU GO AGAIN COMPARING ANIMALS TO HUMANS AND THERE REALLY IS NO COMPARISION. BUT YES TO GET HER PREGNANT THEY HAVE TO BE BREED, THEY MILK THEN THEY REST FOR 2 MONTHS THEN THEY HAVE A BABY AND MILK AGAIN, IT IS ALL GOOD. nOTHING WRONG WITH IT AT ALL.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6804054451517691779.post-79708401813508756762010-03-18T15:55:37.547-04:002010-03-18T15:55:37.547-04:00Yes... I'm sure there are all sorts of guideli...Yes... I'm sure there are all sorts of guidelines, rules, regulations, forms, data collection "safe guards" in position to "catch" every little incidence of infractions... Sort of reminds me of the "Hallmark recall" --- What was that 143 million pounds of "beef" dating back to 2006? And finally "recalled" for violations two years afterward... "Hallmark/Westland sold at least 37 million pounds of meat to the national school lunch program and other nutrition programs run by the USDA during that time".<br />http://archives.chicagotribune.com/2008/feb/18/food/chi-beef_hedgesfeb18<br />Now, are these the same systems you say are in place now? Only now they "work"... Got it...<br /><br />"Some mothers can't produce milk"... Well - In such a case I do know that almond milk, rice milk, hemp milk and oat milk all make wonderful alternatives to "cow's milk"...<br /><br />Even so - What do we say to the adult man or woman who is still suckling at the teat of a female cow... So to speak --- (?)<br /><br />"apparently you have never been in heat" - Well, let's not get too personal here. But by your logic we could say that it would be perfectly okay to "arouse" a mentally disturbed woman for our ends. After all, she "is" willing to the extent of her capacity... and we wouldn't "hurt" her. So that's okay then - right?<br /><br />Now, Anonymous you are still way off topic (again) --- I ask for the THIRD TIME: "What of the list of "FACTS" about what "food" animals endure is a lie?"<br /><br />Either everything IS TRUE - And verifiable from any animal agricultural site... (OR - You MUST address where the errors are -verifiable with equal "proof".Bea Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13981537551810309024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6804054451517691779.post-39554296284887858922010-03-18T13:23:12.176-04:002010-03-18T13:23:12.176-04:00apparently you have never been in heat, cows will ...apparently you have never been in heat, cows will stand quietly to be artificially inseminated and no it doesn't hurt them at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6804054451517691779.post-85144230943665491172010-03-18T13:20:51.965-04:002010-03-18T13:20:51.965-04:00Some mothers can't produce milk so then what, ...Some mothers can't produce milk so then what, they drink formula and, maybe not by choice but by necessity. With all the hvp in most of the processed food, these girls are getting way to much soy estrogen.Oh yes and now we have soy milk, more estrogen for our children.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6804054451517691779.post-20148939633554952852010-03-18T13:15:58.912-04:002010-03-18T13:15:58.912-04:00Only FDA approved medicated feed additives will be...Only FDA approved medicated feed additives will be used in rations. <br />Medicated feed additives will be used in accordance with the FDA Good Manufacturing <br />Practices (GMP) regulation. <br />Follow 'Judicious Antibiotic Use Guidelines'. <br />Extra-label use of feed additives is illegal and strictly prohibited. <br />To avoid violative residues: withdrawal times must be strictly adhered to. <br />Where applicable, complete records must be kept when formulating or feeding medicated feed rations. <br />Records are to be kept a minimum of two years. <br />_(Operator will assure that all additives are withdrawn at the proper time to avoid violative residues.) there are no antibiotic residues in beef and yes they are checked, hence that is where you get your list of violaters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6804054451517691779.post-35550199105823224322010-03-18T09:13:11.337-04:002010-03-18T09:13:11.337-04:00Anonymous - I asked for FACTS...
1. You "as...Anonymous - I asked for FACTS... <br /><br />1. You "assuming" the family "pet bird" is okay with being in a cage is NOT a "fact"... And even if it were - This scenario is totally different than placing 6, 7 or 8 chickens in the same space as a parakeet might have.<br /><br />2. "Our" babies should be drinking "our" milk. And that "cow's milk" might be of value to humans still does NOT say anything about what the mother cow or calf endure when they are seperated. You're view, which makes "our" benefit more valid than nature's mandate is "speciesist". It is not "FACT" of "farming" procedures!<br /><br />I have a neighbor who was raped a few years ago... She was NOT willing - She became pregnant. Are you saying that cows "enjoy" having a human arm inserted in their rectum??? Or do they have to be tied, restrained, manipulated (by drugs or force) or "coaxed" to "accept" it?<br /><br />3. I never said "all cattle graze on public land" I said they "usually" do.<br /><br />Nice try - but still no "FACTS" of "lies"... Now again I ask: What of the list of "FACTS" about what "food" animals endure is a lie? <br /><br />**********************************<br />Your "happy" confined caged bird theory?<br /><br />The caged bird sings<br />with a fearful trill<br />of things unknown<br />but longed for still<br />and his tune is heard<br />on the distant hill<br />for the caged bird<br />sings of freedom. <br /><br />Maya AngelouBea Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13981537551810309024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6804054451517691779.post-79334707938381645392010-03-18T04:13:59.227-04:002010-03-18T04:13:59.227-04:001.the family pet bird lives in a cage in just the ...1.the family pet bird lives in a cage in just the same way as chickens, doesn't hurt them any. 2. Cows provide a nutritious source of food by way of formula for our babies. They cannot be impregnated unless nature is willing, not just because we want them to.3 not all animals live on public land or get antibiotics, free range cattle do not nor does organic meat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6804054451517691779.post-26042938739607547712010-03-17T21:41:32.421-04:002010-03-17T21:41:32.421-04:00So? I could have an aunt who is vegetarian and in...So? I could have an aunt who is vegetarian and in her 90's! Or... I could say that 99.9% of the hospitals are filled with people who consume "meat"... None of that validates anything in THIS discussion. <br /><br />I ASK AGAIN... What of the list of "FACTS" about what "food" animals endure is a lie? <br /><br />You said "most of what you say is not true" --- PLEASE answer the question so I may enlighten myself and others: WHAT IS NOT TRUE???<br /><br />If you fail to answer I will consider an apology in order... That would be the honorable thing to do. Thanks.Bea Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13981537551810309024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6804054451517691779.post-28034192603705894202010-03-17T20:57:42.898-04:002010-03-17T20:57:42.898-04:00Well, for one thing my mother is 80 years old,neve...Well, for one thing my mother is 80 years old,never been to a dr. except for child birth and has and still does eat meat and a variety of other food. So if meat is such a rotten poison, where is your proof?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6804054451517691779.post-41079814779831089822010-03-17T18:58:26.876-04:002010-03-17T18:58:26.876-04:00Two things: "We cannot all live on a plant ba...Two things: "We cannot all live on a plant based diet" - I suspect there might be a very small percentage of people... 2 or 3% who for some reason of physical abnormality, might be unhealthy without a few ounces of flesh per day. I am not a dietician, so I will concede that this might be possible.<br /><br />BUT - Surely we're not talking about the majority of people. And we're certainly not talking about YOU! Now, are YOU living on a plant based diet? Even though we assume you CAN???<br /><br />And PLEASE - What of the above mentioned truths is: mostly "not true"? Just point: eggs, dairy, etc. <br /><br />And it matters little where FACTS are gathered from... TRUTH is TRUTH no matter who delivers the word.<br /><br />For shame on the animal industries for hiding all this from consumers for all these years! I have a good mind to sue them for tricking me into a breach of my ethics!Bea Elliotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13981537551810309024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6804054451517691779.post-51715995059338178252010-03-17T15:07:34.152-04:002010-03-17T15:07:34.152-04:00We cannot all live on a plant based diet, and most...We cannot all live on a plant based diet, and most of what you say is not true, but you have watched the vegan videos and apparently paid good attention so you can repeat all the nonsense you saw in the videos, put on by none other than the animal rights people, shame on them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com